60d omg plastic

yes i'm very disappointed with canon this 60d(more like a step down to amateur camera) a big let down i guess the last semipro camera for the xxd was the 50d. nikon going to kill canon this year. hate to say it looks like ill be waiting for the d400 release or just go with d700.want be spending any more money with canon, awhile back a friend told me buy nikon and live happily ever after. so true p.s. let's see you hang 70-200mm f/2.8 off that plastic body and keep the body from tweaking over time. sure to have some blur pictures. the 60d should have been called a 600d it has amateur wrote all over it.

You better take a hard, comparative look at glass and its costs on a side by side basis before you decide. If you like to shoot long glass you will be shooting Canon. The cost of Nikon tele and super tele is stupid.

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Waterengineer wrote: You better take a hard, comparative look at glass and its costs on a side by side basis before you decide. If you like to shoot long glass you will be shooting Canon. The cost of Nikon tele and super tele is stupid.
ok i'm an nikon user and i don't own a bank, so i want the most for my dollar. After looking at canon's new eos mount( its not that old, not sure on the time line but about 5yrs or so) all the peeps that owned older glass did not make out so well. With my d300s i'm still using older glass that takes a in body motor to auto focus, Try that on a canon. Its seems that i might have payed a little more for my glass, but also it looks like nikon well let me use it longer then canon. so after buying glass twice who really made out better? hell just like one guy said in a post ahead of me" nikon is like apple" god i hope so!! i'm also an mac guy and don't get me started on windows!!!

On the other side, how about using Canon EF glass on your Nikon? Nop. But you can do the reverse, i.e. Nikon lenses on Canon EOS cameras.

ppastoris wrote: On the other side, how about using Canon EF glass on your Nikon? Nop. But you can do the reverse, i.e. Nikon lenses on Canon EOS cameras.
Canon cameras have a shorter distance between the lens flange and film plane than Nikon. Therefore there are a couple of millimeters left over into which a metal mounting adaptor can fit. So you can't just go out and buy nikkor glass and put it on a canon body, you most buy a mounting adaptor. They don't auto focus well at all if you can get it to work at all. Best stay with manual focus lens if thats what your in to, but hell if i was going to buy nikkor glass that cost more then canon glass why would i put it on a 60d when i feel the d90 is a better camera and cost less. Why are we even talking about this why would you even bring it up? whats the point? is there a advantage to this NOPE!!! Then why man why????????????

I was joking, man :). Of course I know about the flange distance, adapters and everything. In addition I think you were joking when you said that you think that Nikon is less likely to "dump the users" than Canon simply based on one event in the history (when I believe Canon earned more users than lost to be fair).

the new prices of canon's tele's and super tele's are even more astronomical than nikons now.. almost by $3500 on some according to the RRP.. ofcourse.. i think they will drop to be around identical prices. Times change.. i don't think i really care which brand of camera im using anymore.. theyre all nice in some way or another.. i do however, think the D95 will propose a significant problem for Canon's newly refreshed APS-C lineup.. Nikon is about to do their refresh and the bar looks as if it's set to be higher.. not sure what the strategies of both companies will be.

Any data to support your claim? I personally used EOS 350D with 70-200/4IS and EX580 on it a lot. No problems whatsoever with my sample. I'd guess it's fine as long as you hold it right (i.e. grip the lens first, not just the body).

ppastoris wrote: Any data to support your claim? I personally used EOS 350D with 70-200/4IS and EX580 on it a lot. No problems whatsoever with my sample. I'd guess it's fine as long as you hold it right (i.e. grip the lens first, not just the body).
ok let me get this straight you have $1500 worth of lens and flash on the $250 body (heee!!) now i understanding canon wasted money making the 1ds mark III lol The lens will work just fine with the amatuer body, including construction-wise, but you have to use it correctly. If you're hand holding it, support the lens and the camera body, and when using it with tripod, mount the lens (with the included tripod ring) on to the tripod, not the camera. i use to own a EOS 350d and moved to a 40d,all i can say is there a big difference in build Quality. i also have shot with a d300s and the build Quality from the d300s to the 40d is another step up (tank) so with that said now say tomorrow i want to go out and shoot some nature shots, and i'm walking for 3 hours i just don't think i would like holding my lens the whole time. with the 40d i don't have to hold it. all i'm getting at is canon 60d should have not been built as a xxd line,but has the name and replaced the xxd line. so all the peeps who have owned 10d to 50d now or just wondering what was canon thinking (they just don't care about the semipro people. ok now that's where some or going to say buy the 7d ,and yes the 7d is a fine camera has all the bells and whistle's.but she a love and hate camera,you love her for build,video,af,and the rest of the bells and whistle's but at the end all come's down the the picture quality just fall's short. P.S. (60d quote) you can scrape a bmw emblem off a bmw and stick it on a Ford Escort and at the end of the day you still have a Ford Escort

some plastic has comparable strength with some metals and priced less. -- http://hdr.strivearth.com | canon fodder

G10Rebel wrote: some plastic has comparable strength with some metals and priced less. -- http://hdr.strivearth.com | canon fodder
some plastic are as strong as some metals. (over at NASA,and cost more then the whole 60d) so if your a plastic guy go 4 it.

RAW_1 wrote:
G10Rebel wrote: some plastic has comparable strength with some metals and priced less. -- http://hdr.strivearth.com | canon fodder
some plastic are as strong as some metals. (over at NASA,and cost more then the whole 60d) so if your a plastic guy go 4 it.
i'm with u raw_1, with thinking like that, i'm so glad i've already went sky diving!! lol

It was very clear when the 7D came out, it was the 60D everybody hoped for an then some. The spirit of the XXD line has moved up to the 7D line. So to cover the gap between the 7D and the 550D they still need a bigger, more feature pack body than the 550D. The 60D is aimed at 550D shooters who wants to upgrade, while 50D shooters will more likely to upgrade to a 7D. Now the 7D is the only CF card only body. I wonder if CF card support will only present at the 1D/s level in the future.

5D (Mk 1 and 2) is CF only too. Other than a more convenient size (for some) CF memory does not give that much of speed advantage compared to the modern SD cards. Moreover SD is often more convenient as many laptops have SD but not CF cardreaders. It's not improbable that eventually all the cameras are going to migrate to SD cards.

Agree. Since many like D90 & D300/s, so Canon has 60D & 7D. Before 7D, 50D was comparing with D300 and many willing to pay higher for D300. On the other hand, people accept D90. Canon just taking the path of Nikon to compete head to head now. But now the competition is on Canon own family. Haha.
love_them_all wrote: It was very clear when the 7D came out, it was the 60D everybody hoped for an then some. The spirit of the XXD line has moved up to the 7D line. So to cover the gap between the 7D and the 550D they still need a bigger, more feature pack body than the 550D. The 60D is aimed at 550D shooters who wants to upgrade, while 50D shooters will more likely to upgrade to a 7D. Now the 7D is the only CF card only body. I wonder if CF card support will only present at the 1D/s level in the future.

Fugetaboutut. All of the mid level canon cameras including the 7D all are basically plastic with a metal shell, so what difference will the shell make, none? The 1D series is an aluminum light box with a magnesium shell (all metal) like my MK111 but all of the guts including the light box etc. of the lesser bodies are still just basically a plastic box. They are still metal lens mounts screwed into a stainless frame that is mounted in PLASTIC, how many 10D's have you seen falling apart, they were basically all plastic also. A rose by any other name....... -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.

Buy the 7d then. or the 1D series. What IS wrong with plastic??????? Also some people don't want to carry hugely heavy cameras...

Monviso View wrote: Buy the 7d then. or the 1D series. What IS wrong with plastic??????? Also some people don't want to carry hugely heavy cameras...
some of as use our semi pros in the real word(i used mine in weddings) don't know if any of you shoot wedding but it's chaos in motion. my gear gets knocked around a lot, one hanging from my neck and one in my hand is a recipe for disaster. I need and want metal in my semi pros and will not buy any thing less, so you ask whats wrong with plastic? why would i chance a $2500 or more glass on a $700 mount? hell lets go on ebay and buy the $5.99 filters and put them in front of $2500 glass. As for them being heavy, hell you don't see the news camera man crying about the 50 pounds or so he carrying around, come on if you cant carry a camera then go to a gym chances are it could save your life. If you want to take photos then you need to carry a camera( for now any ways) all i want is what i pay for, $1099 and the 7d is around $1400 online i just goggled it, we are talking about $300 here. So how is this 60d easier to buy then a 7d? also look at what its missing, some people are like fish in a pound, canon goes fishing with plastic worms and look at all the bites they get. If i was a canon user then i would have to pull my money out, just like a bank if your not happy move your money that the best way to hurt them. enough people move money out they will lesson trust me.

anarki wrote:
Monviso View wrote: Buy the 7d then. or the 1D series. What IS wrong with plastic??????? Also some people don't want to carry hugely heavy cameras...
some of as use our semi pros in the real word(i used mine in weddings) don't know if any of you shoot wedding but it's chaos in motion. my gear gets knocked around a lot, one hanging from my neck and one in my hand is a recipe for disaster. I need and want metal in my semi pros and will not buy any thing less, so you ask whats wrong with plastic? why would i chance a $2500 or more glass on a $700 mount? hell lets go on ebay and buy the $5.99 filters and put them in front of $2500 glass. As for them being heavy, hell you don't see the news camera man crying about the 50 pounds or so he carrying around, come on if you cant carry a camera then go to a gym chances are it could save your life. If you want to take photos then you need to carry a camera( for now any ways) all i want is what i pay for, $1099 and the 7d is around $1400 online i just goggled it, we are talking about $300 here. So how is this 60d easier to buy then a 7d? also look at what its missing, some people are like fish in a pound, canon goes fishing with plastic worms and look at all the bites they get. If i was a canon user then i would have to pull my money out, just like a bank if your not happy move your money that the best way to hurt them. enough people move money out they will lesson trust me.
If you do these things, as I do, then you know that it's the lens that takes the brunt more than the body. Even when you drop a camera, it's the lens that's likely to hit the ground first. You'll likely damage your lest first than the body. You'd also likely separate your flash from it's mount first than damage your body. Even then, I had the d60 and it is a polycarbonate body. So is my 400d. Used these cameras in pro work and there is no problem. There is a funny video by a Singapore guy in youtube where he really trashes the the d70 and the 400d and they still work. That shows you how durable plastics are. You can just go to youtube and search for it. "Plastic" is the general catch word used to denote artificial and weak material. In actuality there are different types of plastics. The strongest can be used in car tires, helmets, etc. Complex polymers can be so strong that they are even better than steel or some metals. These materials are lumped into the "plastic" word, w/c give people the impression that they are not durable or robust. But they are of different characteristics. They are not just durable. The added bonus is they rebound or flex. Some metals are so rigid that they tend to absorb the force instead of releasing it again. That force can be transferred to the innards of devices, w/c we all know is not good. Or at best, they crack. That spares the innards. But now you have to replace the body But since plastics return the energy, they tend to survive better. It is hard to crack a polycarbonates. A lot of this "plastics are flimsy" comes from a psychological programming and experience of regular and ordinary pliable and breakable plastic in the real world. But these are not "regular plastics." These are really tough. Tough enough to use in airplane bubble cockpits, helmets, and yes, even cameras, w/c basically have lesser chances of being hit. It is also just plain laziness not to look at schematics as they are available even in reviews such as DPR, to know that even if the body is plastic, the mount is metal, and the main stress points are metal or in a metal chassis. If you've seen how the D30 was all charred and broken up outside in the World Trade Attack 9-11, you'll know how good plastics can be. Though the outer coverings were shattered, the CF was intact and they were able to see the photos taken by the PJ before tons of rubble fell on him. That is how strong plastics are. Unless your wedding is in a war zone like Iraq, plastic is just fine. In any case, there is always the 7D, or the 1D series of cameras. But if that is the case, you'd better put some metal in your body and head as well. Ironically though, most helmets nowadays aren't really made of metal are they? Kevlar, is in many ways, just a better and complex polymer. In essence, they are plastics.

Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat

honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.

Charlie Self wrote:
honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.
Yes. In this day and age of easy internet access, where most info is just a google away, people still don't get it and persist in their old notions about plastics. And yes, it is not just funny. For me, it is embarassing oneself when you have this extreme reaction as if a major blunder has happened. It's as if something so obvious is evident, and Canon just flubbed it. And they didn't even know they embarassed themselves big time for their ignorance. "OMG, plastic? What was Canon thinking?!" Or, "I will not buy a camera body that is made of plastic!". They think they are being righteous and clever. But in truth, they are really showing their ignorance and laziness.

caterpillar wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.
Yes. In this day and age of easy internet access, where most info is just a google away, people still don't get it and persist in their old notions about plastics. And yes, it is not just funny. For me, it is embarassing oneself when you have this extreme reaction as if a major blunder has happened. It's as if something so obvious is evident, and Canon just flubbed it. And they didn't even know they embarassed themselves big time for their ignorance. "OMG, plastic? What was Canon thinking?!" Or, "I will not buy a camera body that is made of plastic!". They think they are being righteous and clever. But in truth, they are really showing their ignorance and laziness.
ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...

anarki wrote: ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
If I have no idea of what you're saying, maybe you have a poor way of saying them. But to many of us here, it's pretty clear. Unless you to an escape houdini and side-step the issue, as most I notice here, who's been caught with their pants down tend to do. For example, Canon DID LIST what it's made out of. And it is you who says it is "cheap plastic." Canon didn't. And if you know your plastic, you don't put plastic in a camera body that you use in toys. And that is your problem. We keep telling you they aren't and you're not listening. We've said this already, these plastics are TOUGH! Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8&feature=player_embedded It took less than 5 sec to google this: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm And another 20 sec to find this larger picture: View: original size And this: View: original size And this: View: original size That's how tough plastics are. Notice how the white L lens got busted? That's metal. In any case, of course, the body is useless. But look at what it went through. And the CF card was intact that they were able to still get the pictures from them. I think you just better quit posting. Your ability to think clearly and reason out rationally is slipping. I find that embarassing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy the 60d. Go get the 7D or some other body and leave those who understand things better to their own devices.

caterpillar wrote:
anarki wrote: ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
If I have no idea of what you're saying, maybe you have a poor way of saying them. But to many of us here, it's pretty clear. Unless you to an escape houdini and side-step the issue, as most I notice here, who's been caught with their pants down tend to do. For example, Canon DID LIST what it's made out of. And it is you who says it is "cheap plastic." Canon didn't. And if you know your plastic, you don't put plastic in a camera body that you use in toys. And that is your problem. We keep telling you they aren't and you're not listening. We've said this already, these plastics are TOUGH! Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8&feature=player_embedded It took less than 5 sec to google this: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm And another 20 sec to find this larger picture: View: original size And this: View: original size And this: View: original size That's how tough plastics are. Notice how the white L lens got busted? That's metal. In any case, of course, the body is useless. But look at what it went through. And the CF card was intact that they were able to still get the pictures from them. I think you just better quit posting. Your ability to think clearly and reason out rationally is slipping. I find that embarassing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy the 60d. Go get the 7D or some other body and leave those who understand things better to their own devices.
send me your camera ill show you how tough plastic is, your missing the whole point. any time you have more of a amateur camera the weather sealing not add. they took a xxd and made for you, so be happy and shut up!

RAW_1 wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
anarki wrote: ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
If I have no idea of what you're saying, maybe you have a poor way of saying them. But to many of us here, it's pretty clear. Unless you to an escape houdini and side-step the issue, as most I notice here, who's been caught with their pants down tend to do. For example, Canon DID LIST what it's made out of. And it is you who says it is "cheap plastic." Canon didn't. And if you know your plastic, you don't put plastic in a camera body that you use in toys. And that is your problem. We keep telling you they aren't and you're not listening. We've said this already, these plastics are TOUGH! Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8&feature=player_embedded It took less than 5 sec to google this: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm And another 20 sec to find this larger picture: View: original size And this: View: original size And this: View: original size That's how tough plastics are. Notice how the white L lens got busted? That's metal. In any case, of course, the body is useless. But look at what it went through. And the CF card was intact that they were able to still get the pictures from them. I think you just better quit posting. Your ability to think clearly and reason out rationally is slipping. I find that embarassing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy the 60d. Go get the 7D or some other body and leave those who understand things better to their own devices.
send me your camera ill show you how tough plastic is, your missing the whole point. any time you have more of a amateur camera the weather sealing not add. they took a xxd and made for you, so be happy and shut up!
Ok hot from the nikon website mister google read on magnesium alloy for superior durability, in the camera body. Magnesium alloy also boasts vital heat dissipation properties, and provides superior electromagnetic-wave-shielding characteristics I'm sure they tested plastic also, but they went with Magnesium alloy anyway..humm why would they ever do that? You think maybe THEY FOUND IT TO BE BETTER!! as for canonusa.com telling what the 60d is made of lets GOOGLE to http://www.canonusa.com and have a look. look i too can google canon eos60d "Overview" An EOS with Perspective. With the new EOS 60D DSLR, Canon gives the photo enthusiast a powerful tool fostering creativity, with better image quality, more advanced features and automatic and in-camera technologies for ease-of-use. It features an improved APS-C sized 18.0 Megapixel CMOS sensor for tremendous images, a new DIGIC 4 Image Processor for finer detail and excellent color reproduction, and improved ISO capabilities from 100 - 6400 (expandable to 12800) for uncompromised shooting even in the dimmest situations. The new Multi-control Dial enables users to conveniently operate menus and enter settings with a simple touch. The EOS 60D also features an EOS first: A Vari-angle 3.0-inch Clear View LCD (1,040,000 dots) monitor for easy low- or high-angle viewing. An improved viewfinder, a number of new in-camera creative options and filters, plus HDMI output for viewing images on an HDTV all make the EOS 60D invaluable for the evolving photographer. With continuously curved surfaces, user-friendliness and exuding solidity and refinement, the EOS 60D is true digital inspiration!" humm not in there lets look deeper wait found it, The EOS 60D DSLR uses popular SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards. Compact, inexpensive and available in increasingly large capacities, SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards are a perfect complement to the EOS 60D DSLR's compact and lightweight body design. looks like they said over at canonusa.com that it is 'compact and lightweight body design." Ok that says a lot mister howdy doody google plastics expert!! show me any where on canonusa.com where its says what its made of!!! Look first off i shoot nikon not canon, i don't own a amateur camera you might" not saying any thing" but i don't!! i would never buy that p.o.s.!!! Now go play with your coolpix camera and download them on to your vista junk box and you SHUT UP!! Geee give an idiot internet and he thinks he's einstein or some thing, can't wait till you find out what rope is cowboy.

anarki wrote:
RAW_1 wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
anarki wrote: ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
If I have no idea of what you're saying, maybe you have a poor way of saying them. But to many of us here, it's pretty clear. Unless you to an escape houdini and side-step the issue, as most I notice here, who's been caught with their pants down tend to do. For example, Canon DID LIST what it's made out of. And it is you who says it is "cheap plastic." Canon didn't. And if you know your plastic, you don't put plastic in a camera body that you use in toys. And that is your problem. We keep telling you they aren't and you're not listening. We've said this already, these plastics are TOUGH! Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8&feature=player_embedded It took less than 5 sec to google this: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm And another 20 sec to find this larger picture: View: original size And this: View: original size And this: View: original size That's how tough plastics are. Notice how the white L lens got busted? That's metal. In any case, of course, the body is useless. But look at what it went through. And the CF card was intact that they were able to still get the pictures from them. I think you just better quit posting. Your ability to think clearly and reason out rationally is slipping. I find that embarassing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy the 60d. Go get the 7D or some other body and leave those who understand things better to their own devices.
send me your camera ill show you how tough plastic is, your missing the whole point. any time you have more of a amateur camera the weather sealing not add. they took a xxd and made for you, so be happy and shut up!
Ok hot from the nikon website mister google read on magnesium alloy for superior durability, in the camera body. Magnesium alloy also boasts vital heat dissipation properties, and provides superior electromagnetic-wave-shielding characteristics I'm sure they tested plastic also, but they went with Magnesium alloy anyway..humm why would they ever do that? You think maybe THEY FOUND IT TO BE BETTER!! as for canonusa.com telling what the 60d is made of lets GOOGLE to http://www.canonusa.com and have a look. look i too can google canon eos60d "Overview" An EOS with Perspective. With the new EOS 60D DSLR, Canon gives the photo enthusiast a powerful tool fostering creativity, with better image quality, more advanced features and automatic and in-camera technologies for ease-of-use. It features an improved APS-C sized 18.0 Megapixel CMOS sensor for tremendous images, a new DIGIC 4 Image Processor for finer detail and excellent color reproduction, and improved ISO capabilities from 100 - 6400 (expandable to 12800) for uncompromised shooting even in the dimmest situations. The new Multi-control Dial enables users to conveniently operate menus and enter settings with a simple touch. The EOS 60D also features an EOS first: A Vari-angle 3.0-inch Clear View LCD (1,040,000 dots) monitor for easy low- or high-angle viewing. An improved viewfinder, a number of new in-camera creative options and filters, plus HDMI output for viewing images on an HDTV all make the EOS 60D invaluable for the evolving photographer. With continuously curved surfaces, user-friendliness and exuding solidity and refinement, the EOS 60D is true digital inspiration!" humm not in there lets look deeper wait found it, The EOS 60D DSLR uses popular SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards. Compact, inexpensive and available in increasingly large capacities, SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards are a perfect complement to the EOS 60D DSLR's compact and lightweight body design. looks like they said over at canonusa.com that it is 'compact and lightweight body design." Ok that says a lot mister howdy doody google plastics expert!! show me any where on canonusa.com where its says what its made of!!! Look first off i shoot nikon not canon, i don't own a amateur camera you might" not saying any thing" but i don't!! i would never buy that p.o.s.!!! Now go play with your coolpix camera and download them on to your vista junk box and you SHUT UP!! Geee give an idiot internet and he thinks he's einstein or some thing, can't wait till you find out what rope is cowboy.
I sure hope you don't switch to Nikon, because we don't want you in our forums.

WilsonEPhillips wrote:
anarki wrote:
RAW_1 wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
anarki wrote: ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
If I have no idea of what you're saying, maybe you have a poor way of saying them. But to many of us here, it's pretty clear. Unless you to an escape houdini and side-step the issue, as most I notice here, who's been caught with their pants down tend to do. For example, Canon DID LIST what it's made out of. And it is you who says it is "cheap plastic." Canon didn't. And if you know your plastic, you don't put plastic in a camera body that you use in toys. And that is your problem. We keep telling you they aren't and you're not listening. We've said this already, these plastics are TOUGH! Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8&feature=player_embedded It took less than 5 sec to google this: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm And another 20 sec to find this larger picture: View: original size And this: View: original size And this: View: original size That's how tough plastics are. Notice how the white L lens got busted? That's metal. In any case, of course, the body is useless. But look at what it went through. And the CF card was intact that they were able to still get the pictures from them. I think you just better quit posting. Your ability to think clearly and reason out rationally is slipping. I find that embarassing. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy the 60d. Go get the 7D or some other body and leave those who understand things better to their own devices.
send me your camera ill show you how tough plastic is, your missing the whole point. any time you have more of a amateur camera the weather sealing not add. they took a xxd and made for you, so be happy and shut up!
Ok hot from the nikon website mister google read on magnesium alloy for superior durability, in the camera body. Magnesium alloy also boasts vital heat dissipation properties, and provides superior electromagnetic-wave-shielding characteristics I'm sure they tested plastic also, but they went with Magnesium alloy anyway..humm why would they ever do that? You think maybe THEY FOUND IT TO BE BETTER!! as for canonusa.com telling what the 60d is made of lets GOOGLE to http://www.canonusa.com and have a look. look i too can google canon eos60d "Overview" An EOS with Perspective. With the new EOS 60D DSLR, Canon gives the photo enthusiast a powerful tool fostering creativity, with better image quality, more advanced features and automatic and in-camera technologies for ease-of-use. It features an improved APS-C sized 18.0 Megapixel CMOS sensor for tremendous images, a new DIGIC 4 Image Processor for finer detail and excellent color reproduction, and improved ISO capabilities from 100 - 6400 (expandable to 12800) for uncompromised shooting even in the dimmest situations. The new Multi-control Dial enables users to conveniently operate menus and enter settings with a simple touch. The EOS 60D also features an EOS first: A Vari-angle 3.0-inch Clear View LCD (1,040,000 dots) monitor for easy low- or high-angle viewing. An improved viewfinder, a number of new in-camera creative options and filters, plus HDMI output for viewing images on an HDTV all make the EOS 60D invaluable for the evolving photographer. With continuously curved surfaces, user-friendliness and exuding solidity and refinement, the EOS 60D is true digital inspiration!" humm not in there lets look deeper wait found it, The EOS 60D DSLR uses popular SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards. Compact, inexpensive and available in increasingly large capacities, SD, SDHC and SDXC memory cards are a perfect complement to the EOS 60D DSLR's compact and lightweight body design. looks like they said over at canonusa.com that it is 'compact and lightweight body design." Ok that says a lot mister howdy doody google plastics expert!! show me any where on canonusa.com where its says what its made of!!! Look first off i shoot nikon not canon, i don't own a amateur camera you might" not saying any thing" but i don't!! i would never buy that p.o.s.!!! Now go play with your coolpix camera and download them on to your vista junk box and you SHUT UP!! Geee give an idiot internet and he thinks he's einstein or some thing, can't wait till you find out what rope is cowboy.
I sure hope you don't switch to Nikon, because we don't want you in our forums.
i am a nikon shooter thanks very much i use a d300s

anarki wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.
Yes. In this day and age of easy internet access, where most info is just a google away, people still don't get it and persist in their old notions about plastics. And yes, it is not just funny. For me, it is embarassing oneself when you have this extreme reaction as if a major blunder has happened. It's as if something so obvious is evident, and Canon just flubbed it. And they didn't even know they embarassed themselves big time for their ignorance. "OMG, plastic? What was Canon thinking?!" Or, "I will not buy a camera body that is made of plastic!". They think they are being righteous and clever. But in truth, they are really showing their ignorance and laziness.
ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
You post. Your post gets answered. You then say no one knows what you're saying or doing. Why the post, then, if you're unable to explain what you are saying or doing. That is your lack, not ours. That coyness, dancing around and saying "I know what I'm doing, but you don't" is just plain silly. If your goals are so clear and easily explained, why don't you explain them?

Charlie Self wrote:
anarki wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.
Yes. In this day and age of easy internet access, where most info is just a google away, people still don't get it and persist in their old notions about plastics. And yes, it is not just funny. For me, it is embarassing oneself when you have this extreme reaction as if a major blunder has happened. It's as if something so obvious is evident, and Canon just flubbed it. And they didn't even know they embarassed themselves big time for their ignorance. "OMG, plastic? What was Canon thinking?!" Or, "I will not buy a camera body that is made of plastic!". They think they are being righteous and clever. But in truth, they are really showing their ignorance and laziness.
ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
You post. Your post gets answered. You then say no one knows what you're saying or doing. Why the post, then, if you're unable to explain what you are saying or doing. That is your lack, not ours. That coyness, dancing around and saying "I know what I'm doing, but you don't" is just plain silly. If your goals are so clear and easily explained, why don't you explain them?
But we can all feel better knowing that the drug companies are working on solutions to his problems.

WilsonEPhillips wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
anarki wrote:
caterpillar wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
honza_pl wrote: Total nonsens - high quality plastic body with steel frame will sure cause no problems. This hystery around magnesium body is hard to unterstand. Moreover if most of complainers are amateurs photoshooting their family and cat
It strikes me as funny that so many people still believe that plastic is a cheap and weak alternative. It might be helpful if they'd take a quick look at some of the world's fighter aircraft, among other plastic items. It's not necessarily cheap and it sure isn't weak. There are hundreds of types and grades of plastic, too, just about one for every job. No, it's not perfect, but it is often easier to form than metals, and may be lower in cost.
Yes. In this day and age of easy internet access, where most info is just a google away, people still don't get it and persist in their old notions about plastics. And yes, it is not just funny. For me, it is embarassing oneself when you have this extreme reaction as if a major blunder has happened. It's as if something so obvious is evident, and Canon just flubbed it. And they didn't even know they embarassed themselves big time for their ignorance. "OMG, plastic? What was Canon thinking?!" Or, "I will not buy a camera body that is made of plastic!". They think they are being righteous and clever. But in truth, they are really showing their ignorance and laziness.
ok lets start off by saying you have no idea what i'm really trying to say or do, and its ignorance that makes you think that you know what others are thinking and why. No i would not settle on buying an "plastic semi pro camera" for $1099. Now if canon came out and listed in the over view that this body was made of advanced synthetic polymers and that they would stand behind it to hold up as well was the metal bodies then yes i would buy one. But for all you know its made of the same cheap plastic that most dollar store toys are made of. Canon did not list what its made of so can't be that great of stuff, advanced synthetic polymers cost a lot and canon would list this in the over view as a selling point. So who is the "righteous and clever" one here? As for laziness lol i most say its you, Think about what you just posted...
You post. Your post gets answered. You then say no one knows what you're saying or doing. Why the post, then, if you're unable to explain what you are saying or doing. That is your lack, not ours. That coyness, dancing around and saying "I know what I'm doing, but you don't" is just plain silly. If your goals are so clear and easily explained, why don't you explain them?
But we can all feel better knowing that the drug companies are working on solutions to his problems.
lol very funny, big man talking over the keyboard. my only problem is canon said this will replace the 50d, xxd went from prosumer to consumer. Don't start that no its an upgrade to the 550d bull$hit! here's the link right under the pic of the 60d in the press release. http://www.canon.co.uk/About_Us/Press_Centre/Press_Releases/Consumer_News/Cameras_Accessories/EOS_60D_Press_Release.aspx EOS 60D. Replacing the EOS 50D lol now thats some funny $hit! but hey you guys love it GREAT hope nikon never gets an idea like this when it wants to replace the d300s.

I have 4 digital P&S camera bodies that are in pieces in a box because the small PLASTIC gears that operate the lens focus have stripped the teeth off of them and they are not repairable. My old Canon, Voigtlander, Nikon, Olympus and Mamiya 35 mm cameras with brass and steel gears are all functional. Plastics may be OK for static objects like camera bodies but not as moving apparatus. One question I will ask the PLASTIC fanatics ie: If I thread a small metal screw into ANY plastic stationary part then purposely pull the two apart, which will give first, the plastic base or the metal threads? Nuff said I think! -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.

Bill Force wrote: I have 4 digital P&S camera bodies that are in pieces in a box because the small PLASTIC gears that operate the lens focus have stripped the teeth off of them and they are not repairable. My old Canon, Voigtlander, Nikon, Olympus and Mamiya 35 mm cameras with brass and steel gears are all functional. Plastics may be OK for static objects like camera bodies but not as moving apparatus. One question I will ask the PLASTIC fanatics ie: If I thread a small metal screw into ANY plastic stationary part then purposely pull the two apart, which will give first, the plastic base or the metal threads? Nuff said I think! -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.
Bill you took the words out of my mouth, plastic is great in a lot of ways, but for now i feel its not going to replace metal.

Firstly, I'd like to say how appalled I am by the rudeness and arrogance displayed in this topic thread, but unfortunately this seems to be an increasing trend on these forums. I suspect that nobody posting here has even seen the 60D, let alone handled one, so that excludes everyone from making informed comments as to exactly how the camera is constructed and it's potential robustness etc. In the DPReview preview the 60D is described as "Aluminium and polycarbonate resin with glass fibre" and "plastic-over-metal construction". What I suspect this means is there is a metal (aluminium) sub-chassis with a polycarbonate outer shell (is that like the D550?). As pointed out by other posters, there is nothing inherently wrong with composite material construction, and this is used in the aircaraft industry and race cars, as well as military body armour and motorcycle crash helmets. The problem arises when the material is described as "plastic" which many people still associate with cheapness. If the camera is so poorly built, how come the weight saving over the 50D is only 8%? For my part I would welcome a lighter outfit and an 8% saving is hardly significant, but nonetheless welcome. After a days walking with my 30D and (usually) 17-40L lens around my neck or over my shoulder I sometimes think "I'd like this to be a little lighter." For interest I compared the weights of a few Canon bodies: 30D 784g with battery, 700g without 50D 822g with battery, 730g without 7D 820g without battery (couldn't find weight with batt). 60D 755g with battery (couldn't find the weight without). I'm thinking this amount of weight reduction in the body is not going to feel that much of a difference (certainly compared to my 30D) once you've got the same old lenses mounted. After a days walking I wonder if I'm going to notice any difference, but I may consider changing once the 60D price stabilises. My biggest disappointment with the 60D is the loss of CF cards, but memory is cheap these days, so that's hardly a major issue. Although they are nice bonuses, I'm not too concerned about the articulating screen or the video capabilities, since I'm strictly a "look through the viewfinder" person, and I have no interest in video. My circumstances are such that I simply cannot afford (nor justify) a 7D, and I'm reluctant to change to one of the "compact" SLR type formats. --
Photographers feel guilty that all they do for a living is press a button. - Andy Warhol

anarki wrote:
Bill Force wrote: I have 4 digital P&S camera bodies that are in pieces in a box because the small PLASTIC gears that operate the lens focus have stripped the teeth off of them and they are not repairable. My old Canon, Voigtlander, Nikon, Olympus and Mamiya 35 mm cameras with brass and steel gears are all functional. Plastics may be OK for static objects like camera bodies but not as moving apparatus. One question I will ask the PLASTIC fanatics ie: If I thread a small metal screw into ANY plastic stationary part then purposely pull the two apart, which will give first, the plastic base or the metal threads? Nuff said I think! -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.
Bill you took the words out of my mouth, plastic is great in a lot of ways, but for now i feel its not going to replace metal.
I don't recall reading on here that it will replace metal. That wasn't part of your original statement, and no one afterwards mentioned it as a complete replacement. You're in such a lather about this that I strongly suggest you avoid modern cameras altogether. Pick up a wood bodied 5x7 view camera and go to it.

Bill Force wrote: I have 4 digital P&S camera bodies that are in pieces in a box because the small PLASTIC gears that operate the lens focus have stripped the teeth off of them and they are not repairable. My old Canon, Voigtlander, Nikon, Olympus and Mamiya 35 mm cameras with brass and steel gears are all functional. Plastics may be OK for static objects like camera bodies but not as moving apparatus. One question I will ask the PLASTIC fanatics ie: If I thread a small metal screw into ANY plastic stationary part then purposely pull the two apart, which will give first, the plastic base or the metal threads? Nuff said I think! --
There are some things plastics aren't suited for, of course, but in your example, much depends on the particular metal alloy, and the type of plastic used. I'd also guess the P&S cameras you have sitting around with stripped gears are not the high end models, but fairly cheap, which is where you do find cheap plastics.

For your edification Charlie they were all Olympus high end P&S cameras, all "E" and "C" series, the best of their day. True enough they were getting a little long in the tooth for digitals but my 1958 Voigtlander Bessamatic is still sound and it's 10 times as old. My analogy above is referring to typical STEEL camera screws that are screwed into plastic. I don't care if it's military "matrixmetal" or Tupperware, the screw threads will still outsurvive any plastic. Got it? -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.

n/t

I'm sure that consumers weight preferrence was not an issue with Canon when they decided to CHEAPEN the production costs of the 60D, it was stricly a matter of economics. They simply designed a camera to compete with Nikon's D90 and called it a 60D. It's actual resemblance to the 50D is moot and it certainly isn't a D300s killer either. Marketing ploy that all manufactures try to outguess their competition, it may fall faster than Bill Clintons trousers or may be the next hot seller like the D300, who knows but they didn't design it and make it out of plastic because of the weight savings. -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.

Bill Force wrote: I'm sure that consumers weight preferrence was not an issue with Canon when they decided to CHEAPEN the production costs of the 60D, it was stricly a matter of economics. They simply designed a camera to compete with Nikon's D90 and called it a 60D. It's actual resemblance to the 50D is moot and it certainly isn't a D300s killer either. Marketing ploy that all manufactures try to outguess their competition, it may fall faster than Bill Clintons trousers or may be the next hot seller like the D300, who knows but they didn't design it and make it out of plastic because of the weight savings. -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.
Might have done.... I was put off buying a 7D because it is too damn heavy. Many other people have commented on the bulk and weight as well.

The 7D is about the same weight as the 5D2, and a lot lighter than the 1D4 w/o the grip. I think a little bit of weight is good for balance during shooting. It is quite heavy when you have to backpack it all day with a few lenses, but serious photographers can get pass that... with some rest after the trip.
archiebald wrote:
Bill Force wrote: I'm sure that consumers weight preferrence was not an issue with Canon when they decided to CHEAPEN the production costs of the 60D, it was stricly a matter of economics. They simply designed a camera to compete with Nikon's D90 and called it a 60D. It's actual resemblance to the 50D is moot and it certainly isn't a D300s killer either. Marketing ploy that all manufactures try to outguess their competition, it may fall faster than Bill Clintons trousers or may be the next hot seller like the D300, who knows but they didn't design it and make it out of plastic because of the weight savings. -- ' You don't have to have the best of everything to get the best out of what you do have'.
Might have done.... I was put off buying a 7D because it is too damn heavy. Many other people have commented on the bulk and weight as well.

I'm suprised that they came out with the 60D at all. The 7D was the obvious successor to the 50D in spite of those who wished it wasn't. Canon had a difficult time selling 50D's against the D90 because of price. They merely decided to go head to head with the D90 on price. The average customer who buys these at Best Buy knows little about the cameras, and depends on the Best buy camera expert to tell them which. If the D60 is $100 less than the D95, it will sell.

Yes, that was shock. Looks like they are trying to shift their cam line up abit to make room for future single camera 1D line in two yeras?
RAW_1 wrote: yes i'm very disappointed with canon this 60d(more like a step down to amateur camera) a big let down i guess the last semipro camera for the xxd was the 50d. nikon going to kill canon this year. hate to say it looks like ill be waiting for the d400 release or just go with d700.want be spending any more money with canon, awhile back a friend told me buy nikon and live happily ever after. so true p.s. let's see you hang 70-200mm f/2.8 off that plastic body and keep the body from tweaking over time. sure to have some blur pictures. the 60d should have been called a 600d it has amateur wrote all over it.

Hi Raw,
RAW_1 wrote: nikon going to kill canon this year.
Woh, cool ! Can we take bets on this, please ? I bet you $100K that Nikon will still be in business on January 1st, 2011. Care to take up the bet ? Or did you mean physically "kill", as in: the Nikon engineers all reach for their AK-47s, storm the Canon offices and kill everybody in sight ? Peter.

PeterLeyssens wrote: Hi Raw,
RAW_1 wrote: nikon going to kill canon this year.
Woh, cool ! Can we take bets on this, please ? I bet you $100K that Nikon will still be in business on January 1st, 2011.
that right nikon will be in business next year and canon will be still trying to keep up like always, what does canon have that so good at the time 7d nope (if you like a crap noise picture) 60d (just a down grade from 40d or 50d) don't think so o i know 5d mark II gets beat out buy d700 and don't even go to the canon pro line d3x say's it all. and wait nikon going to release d400 witch will be target at the 7d so yes if you want to put your money on canon let's do it

By now I have no idea who replied to whom. I do know that RAW_1 looks suspiciously like a poster that went into the Canon forums a lot just to troll, and bash Canon and those who use Canon products.

underpaid wrote: By now I have no idea who replied to whom. I do know that RAW_1 looks suspiciously like a poster that went into the Canon forums a lot just to troll, and bash Canon and those who use Canon products.
your somewhat right, but Ive been loyal to canon for over 3 year (had 350d & 40d) to wait for what? nothing. yes i have moved over to the dark side,and yes i didn't bring my pom poms for canon.

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