G11 or EOS-450D for Travelling

Am about to go travelling and am looking for best camera companion (as happy taking landscapes as portraits). Have a 1Ds but its way to heavy to lugg around in a backpack, also have some good lenses 28-105 and 17-40 - both pretty heavy. As the 1Ds is too heavy to travel with I'm considering either a low end Canon DSLR say a EOS 450D body with my existing lenses, or going for a G11. Any comments on comparible picture performance on such set-ups? I'm after full manual control and an optical view finder in a light weight package. Have looked at non Canon alternatives like the LX5 but couldn't live with an electronic view finder. Any suggestions?

I guess it's as much about your expectations as anything else. The "G" series Canon have always been about as good as that sort of camera can be. Though the optical Viewfinder 'could' be a bit better. Don't get me wrong, it's good enough for framing, but it's no Leica m9! I have a G3 and an Olympus E30, and as much as I love the E30 and it's lenses, it's just 'too much camera' when I go riding on my motorcycle. So I'm thinking of upgrading my G3 to the G11. The lens on the G11 is roughly equivalent to a 28 - 140 mm lens and a 5X digital zoom (digital zoom is OK in a pinch and better than nothing but not something you want to rely upon on a day to day basis) Optical quality is in the pretty good category but far from insanely great category. I would say if you can't live within the native zoom range, you might want to go with the DSLR You can buy an optional sleeve to attach teleconverters and WA attachments to it, but frankly then it is only slightly more of a pain to carry with you and set up than is a DSLR. I think with a G series camera, you want to go 'commando' as much as possible and carry as few accessories as you can get away with. One thing the G3 has that I hope to find out if is still on the G11 is the really useful landscape tool. ON the G3, if you turn on the landscape tool and take a photo, it displays the either the right edge of the photo or the bottom of the photo so you can line up the next photo in the sequence with the previous photo. It also integrated with the stitching tool in the software package to make stitched landscapes really easy and realistic. I really like that tool and hope it has been continued on the G11. I think the G series cameras make great candids and travel cameras, particularly so for those who don't want to be burdened with a bunch of 'stuff'. -- I'm Thinking of changing my name to Manheim Pike because it sounds more 'Artsy'. What do you think? Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos. . . http://glenbarrington.smugmug.com/ http://www.jpgmag.com/people/glenbarrington/photos

Glen I was in a store last week and the shop assistant specifically showed me the feature on the camera which assists in alignment of panoramic shots and he mentioned that the images are then enhanced by the stitching software which comes with the camera

I'm happy with a Canon Powershot on the road. It depends if you want to "be" in the foreign place or just "view" it through a high tech piece of camera gear. Just only the fact that the Powershots have a built-in, automatic lens cap and motor zoom makes taking pictures somewhat easier and keeps you more open for new surrounds; more so, if it's very hot or you carry a lot of luggage; even more so, if you get used to the swivel screen. If you see the destination mostly as one more photo location, take the slr. The Powershots have amazing image quality and you can use polarizer or close-up lens; just not a lot of bokeh.

Well, that is very good news to me! Thanks! -- I'm Thinking of changing my name to Manheim Pike because it sounds more 'Artsy'. What do you think? Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos. . . http://glenbarrington.smugmug.com/ http://www.jpgmag.com/people/glenbarrington/photos

I've just been travelling with my 450D and A650is - G9 equivalent. On most days I just used the point and shoot: more discreet, lighter, and versatile zoom range. The 450d is light, but with even with only the 28mm 1.8 it was a bore to carry.

mi Wixroyd wrote: Any comments on comparible picture performance on such set-ups?
It all depends on what you're after. A G11 or comparable compact will be just as good as a low-end SLR for landscapes or other large DOF shots in bright sunlight. If those represent the majority of your anticipated conditions, then a G11 can be fine. But if you want short DOF portraits or good performance in low light, with the proper lens the cheap SLR will be better. If I have the space, instead of my compact LX3 I will often bring my old Rebel body with a short, fast prime. Not much larger than a G11 but was vastly more control and versatility in challenging situations. If space is an issue (pockets only), then I bring only my LX3 and deal with its limitations.
I'm after full manual control and an optical view finder in a light weight package. Have looked at non Canon alternatives like the LX5 but couldn't live with an electronic view finder.
It's funny...my friend and I were talking about how with the LX3, we can enjoy composing photographs as one would with medium/large format camera: You see the image large and in a manner that allows easy checking of composition and edges. (Though admittedly not well in bright sunlight.) The histogram and clipping display take care of ensuring proper raw exposure even in bright sunlight.

stick with the dslr. I would stick with Canon too, especially since you already have Canon lenses to use. You could also look into the XS dslr. BTW, you posted this topic in the news section.

I will treasure this opportunity of taking a picture. I would recommend you go and look into 5D II, which weighs only 800gm and is a good tool to go with your 28-105 (were you talking about tamron 28-105/2.8, or 24-105/4L) The latest 550D will be a better choice than 450D, though both take good pictures. I will never trust a G11...though it is a leader in compact camera. For a bit more I can buy a Sony Nex 5 system which produces better images than G11
mi Wixroyd wrote: Am about to go travelling and am looking for best camera companion (as happy taking landscapes as portraits). Have a 1Ds but its way to heavy to lugg around in a backpack, also have some good lenses 28-105 and 17-40 - both pretty heavy. As the 1Ds is too heavy to travel with I'm considering either a low end Canon DSLR say a EOS 450D body with my existing lenses, or going for a G11. Any comments on comparible picture performance on such set-ups? I'm after full manual control and an optical view finder in a light weight package. Have looked at non Canon alternatives like the LX5 but couldn't live with an electronic view finder. Any suggestions?

You didn't say where you were going or how long but I would say go with the G11. I've gone travelling for several months with a Panasonic FZ28 and a Canon IXUS V3 P&S (which eventually died) and that was sufficient. My original choice at the time was the Canon G10 (I wasn't happy about it but I preferred it to the LX3) however I had three G10s and they were all faulty so I left the last one at home and took the Pentax *ist D DSLR (129x95x60mm) with a very small 18-50mm zoom and the IXUS (I looked at taking my 5D with the 24-105 but there was just no way, even without the grip). In the end I left the Pentax at the hotel in one country, bought the Panasonic and used that for almost all the shots I took (over 4,000). BTW the EVF proved to be excellent on that camera since it had 100% coverage, unlike the G10/G11 OVF (and I use the viewfinder pretty much all the time). Also the G11 should have an internal ND filter, which will be needed to get slower shutter speeds for things like waterfalls. Depending on where you are going (and how you are travelling, backpacking?) you may be happy carrying a DSLR and you will certainly see other people with them and perhaps then wish that you had brought one along. However I don't think that the combination of something like a 450D + your existing lenses is a good one for travel. I would suggest getting lenses like the new 15-85mm, the 18-55mm IS, the 18-135mm or even the 18-200mm to go along with the new camera. I rejected the idea of getting a 400D/450D/1000D with the 18-200mm last year because that combo was too big but one of the new shorter lenses could work well and the 15-85mm would be my top choice. If you are really considering going the DSLR route go to a shop and check it out and decide if it will be too cumbersome. Also remember that a heavier camera will require a better support system than the one that you could use with a compact. With the FZ28 I was able to carry this camera in the little bag that I would normally use for carrying a small bottle of water - having the camera with me was great and not having too much weight when trekking into the mountains was good thing. There is one more option that I'm going to put out there and that would be one of the Micro 4/3 cameras. Right before my trip I looked at getting either the Panasonic G1 or the Olympus E-P1 but I rejected them both for various reasons. The newer cameras fix some of the issues I had with the first versions so if your trip is imminent then it may be worth looking at getting a different brand of camera with a single zoom lens for the trip. There is also the Sony NEX series but these look ugly and unbalanced with even the 18-55mm lens and the only viewfinder available for them is the OVF for the 16mm pancake lens. The Samsung cameras are also an option but their lenses are so large you may as well go with a Canon and the 18-55mm. If you aren't willing to invest in a new DSLR/EVIL camera + appropriate lens go for the G11 (or another advanced compact/bridge camera) and don't look back.
mi Wixroyd wrote: Am about to go travelling and am looking for best camera companion (as happy taking landscapes as portraits). Have a 1Ds but its way to heavy to lugg around in a backpack, also have some good lenses 28-105 and 17-40 - both pretty heavy. As the 1Ds is too heavy to travel with I'm considering either a low end Canon DSLR say a EOS 450D body with my existing lenses, or going for a G11. Any comments on comparible picture performance on such set-ups? I'm after full manual control and an optical view finder in a light weight package. Have looked at non Canon alternatives like the LX5 but couldn't live with an electronic view finder. Any suggestions?

While researching travel destinations in lesser known African countries, i browsed lots and lots and lots of pictures on Flickr (better results for me than with Google images). I saw lots of very photographically mediocre pictures (not a problem, i needed visual information which was often there). Most of these pictures were taken with consumer DSLRs like Canon Rebel or Nikon D40 (Flickr names the camera, if the photographer doesn't explicitly prohibit this). These pictures i saw could have easily been taken with a much smaller compact camera, and it would have been lighter and less obvious for the traveller. I have no idea why all these Africa travellers carried a heavy bulky SLR to the dusty tropics and then took pictures that any Ixus does as well, and much more conveniently at that. (Of course there were some gorgeous pics too, but the vast majority of all those DSLR shots had no photographical appeal whatsoever.) When i go there, i will quite likely also only take a serious compact, probably one that accepts tele adapter, close-up-lens and polarizer (G11 or G12, i figure). If any 2nd cam, a slim waterproof Ixus-like digicam (Panasonic has them), for snaps around the water and on boat trips and as a general safety measure.

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