NX100 and 20-50mm lens rock

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Hi, I've been waiting forever for Pentax to release: 1. a very compact mirrorless camera. 2. A full-frame dslr. I want an ultra-wide angle on my mirrorless, and for Pentax that means one choice: the DA 15. The only Pentax mirrorless option at the moment, the K-01, is no longer pocketable with the DA 15 attached. So I picked up an NX100 for 230 bucks. What a fantastic deal. This camera literally fits in my jacket pocket. I no longer need a camera bag. It's not fantastic for low light, but acceptable. The only downside is, I've become really spoiled by the Pentax IS system. When taking both my K5 with DA 21 f/3.2 and the Samsung with the 20-50 out for comparison shots, some things become quickly apparent: -the 20-50mm is an excellent lens -the nx100 has to pump the ISO way up to get decent shutter speeds to avoid motion blur while the Pentax uses image stabilization to keep the ISO low with shutter speeds down to 1/20 in aperture priority mode. -the images reflect exactly these limitation/strategies. The NX100 images are far noisier on the whole, with the Pentax images containing considerable motion blur for any slightly moving object, although practically noise free. In the end, the NX100 actually does a better job for snapshots of the kids, since it's choosing faster shutter speeds and kids are constantly in motion. Of course the autofocus isn't on the same level as the K5's, but it's absolutely sufficient for my needs. And in good light, the K5's IS advantage evaporates completely. I believe it's time to purchase some excellent Samsung lenses. I finally have a compact ILC system. Yay! Why are people not flocking to Samsung in droves at these prices??? The cams and lenses are great! Matt

I think reason why ppl not shoot much Samsung is: 1) undermarketed or not marketed at all 2) not so exciting system (tho truth to be told, there are some nice gems in there, if you care..) 3) its Samsung = which for example where I live means cheap TVs.. and thats pretty much it, never saw ANYONE with NX cam 4) not much reviews, not much visible photographers using it 5) bit uncertain future and pretty much no past (except Pentax - Samsung dSLRs) Dunno if I forget something. Maybe bit average image quality on paper (not photographic paper, thats entirely different story :D). I was slightly disappointed with newer NX cause image quality from old ones is awesome at base ISO. It has look llike nothing else (well ok, there are few others.. ..for example Leica M9). Which new 20 mpix APS-C doesnt have. But on other hand its much more alt lens friendly (adapted lens). More LV magnification than 2x in NX10 generation. Different ways to focus manually too. That NX200/210/1000 doesnt have ability to take EVF is disappointing too. NX100 can (not much quality one, but it can). Might not sound important, but alt lens were and still are pretty viable source of lens. And for example Contax G lens on NEX are simply amazing. But as some ppl prove, that doesnt mean there cant be created more than good pics with Samsung. I like Samsung cams for various reasons, wont list all of them.

KL Matt wrote: Hi, So I picked up an NX100 for 230 bucks. What a fantastic deal. This camera literally fits in my jacket pocket. I no longer need a camera bag. It's not fantastic for low light, but acceptable. Why are people not flocking to Samsung in droves at these prices??? The cams and lenses are great! Matt
Where did you buy one for $230? That is one heck of a deal!

NX100 w/ 20-50mm for $220-250 has been going around on ebay since months; i've bought another one (together w/ a NEX C3 body, also $220) being so happy w/ my 1st NX100. This NX100 combo remains unbeatable in IQ per $*gram; its humble 14.6Mp sensor up to ISO 800 is world class, and holds its own vs. the 16Mp Exmor (my reference in the APS world AD2012). Add a sharp kit zoom, good AMOLED and exemplary UI w/ plenty of buttons and tweakable settings... all kinda missing from the better sensored NEX. Why ain't the NX100 more popular? I doubt it's marketing's fault, or the decently average sensor. For some reasons, despite all its merits, it has failed to impress the inflential reviewers and opinion leaders (e.g., D. Pogue never sung its praises, unlike e.g., the RX-100). I blame the mediocre devices (sensor, processor, JPG engine) and design. Excellent base ISO IQ doesn't impress anybody in the APS turf, nor a clean 400-800... in stead, an APS sensor today needs either high clean ISO, or wider DR (14.6Mp's is a tad abrupt in its high rol-off), or some camera features... Nothing special distinguishes the NX100. It's actually a gem in disguise, iff one accepts its (few) limitations. Mitch

Yeah, it's the totally acceptable image quality level with extreme portability. Exactly what I was looking for. And finally a camera system with both tiny pancake primes, a very small and fast ultra-wide, and a very compact ILC body to go with them. That's the problem with Pentax: they've got the pancakes, but they're failing the compactness test in two key areas: compact ILC body and fast wide-angle pancake. Samsung satisfies both those key requirements very competently while maintaining APS-C quality level. The camera I would really want would be an OMD-5, but at that price (and the lens prices), it's more than I can afford just to have a second camera that is actually pocketable and I can take anywhere without worrying much about it. Obviously, my first choice would be a Pentax that satisfies these requirements and brings K-mount compatibility, but it looks like that's not coming any time soon. I must admit, the design of the NX100 is anything but sexy and the build quality is just so-so. Feels a little plasticky. A rubberized surface on the front would have been nice, this camera is slippery and consequently somewhat more difficult to hold. Matt

I have been using a NX200 with 20-50mm for about three months now. I bought it for my Canada trip. I paid about twice the amount in Euros. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the images, high iso performance and really enjoy using it. My big Nikon rig has taken somewhat of a back seat lately. It is just so much easier to carry around that little Samsung. One thing I wish that they would make is maybe a 50-150 2.8 lens to replace 70-200 nikon. For those times when I'm not looking for portability. Even in that case the lens would be relatively small for 2.8. I should prep and upload some shots. Samsung is not marketing the system very well... they have a great logical lens lineup, good sensor, and a good camera lineup. They just need to market it more.

mladenb wrote: I have been using a NX200 with 20-50mm for about three months now. I bought it for my Canada trip. I paid about twice the amount in Euros. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the images, high iso performance and really enjoy using it. My big Nikon rig has taken somewhat of a back seat lately. It is just so much easier to carry around that little Samsung. One thing I wish that they would make is maybe a 50-150 2.8 lens to replace 70-200 nikon. For those times when I'm not looking for portability. Even in that case the lens would be relatively small for 2.8. I should prep and upload some shots. Samsung is not marketing the system very well... they have a great logical lens lineup, good sensor, and a good camera lineup. They just need to market it more.
I agree on that. Tho it should be cheaper in US/Canada than it is. I dont get Samsung pricing much. Its like reverse Sony (Sony is hyperexpensive in Europe, cheap in US). I think they dont need "marketing". They need to promote. Get ppl with skill to show what Samsung can do. Be visible. Have some decent and more reviews (that comes with good relationships with review guys, which they obviously dont have). Simply "push" a bit. Regular adds and marketing wont do much (even tho I would have few ideas :D).

I agree 100%. I already have one, but thought about getting a second body for such a low price. Compared to what other cameras $250 +/- will buy you, nothing else comes close.

I know. You can barely even buy just one pentax lens for that price. Much less a complete camera/lens kit! Really a steal. Will be ordering the 16mm f/2.4, maybe the 30 as well. The NX200/220 are not as attractive to me, however, due to the large raw file size and buffer performance, but I love that they come with wifi. I'm hoping the next generation of these bodies solves those issues, and then I'll really have something to look forward to as an eventual upgrade to the NX100. Maybe that's where I should be long term: super-compact Samsung system for portability plus entry-level full-frame (Nikon) for the DOF control I've been longing for and missing in my Pentax system at anything wider than 31mm. Matt

I'm hedging my bets on both: NX100 for its low price (lost w/ the 20Mp sensor) and access to excellent native (compact) glass + NEX for its excellent 16Mp Exmor and access to all my legacy glass. If NEX will introduce a FF on the same mount (flange and incidence issues), i'll migrate more towards it. Otherwise i'll wait for canikon to introduce FF SLRs in Rebel bodies under 1-lbs, while i enjoy the NX and NEX APS systems. Lucky to be alive now

migus wrote: I'm hedging my bets on both: NX100 for its low price (lost w/ the 20Mp sensor) and access to excellent native (compact) glass + NEX for its excellent 16Mp Exmor and access to all my legacy glass. If NEX will introduce a FF on the same mount (flange and incidence issues), i'll migrate more towards it. Otherwise i'll wait for canikon to introduce FF SLRs in Rebel bodies under 1-lbs, while i enjoy the NX and NEX APS systems. Lucky to be alive now
FF not possible with current E-mount. It simply wont fit. They would need some sort of adapter for both E-mount and native FF lens..

Mescalamba wrote:
FF not possible with current E-mount. It simply wont fit. They would need some sort of adapter for both E-mount and native FF lens..
"The VG900 is built around the company's 24MP sensor that also appears in the SLT A99 and RX1 and confirms the theory that the E-mount can accommodate a 36x24mm sensor." http://www.dpzen.com/news/2012/09/12/Sony-NEX-VG900-full-frame-camcorder-and-VG-30-APS-C-model-and-18-200-power-zoom-lens Nobody assumes that a FF NEX can be as small as an, e.g., C3. But the E-mount does cover FF.

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