Yet ANOTHER error in DPZEN's News

The 5cm f2 photo in the 55th millionth Nikkor lens news is actually a 5.8cm f1.4... View: original size I do think dpzen needs to be more careful with the accuracy of its news and content. There are just too many typo and errors. The biggest one being the $699 price for the Nikon D7000 with kit lens today. That incorrect price tag created a lot of confusion among people using DPreview as their main source of info in various forums worldwide today. Also the shutter life of the D7000 and the VR on 35mm f1.4 were wrong too. People used to quote stuff from dpzen as "fact". If it keeps making errors like that, the site will start to lose its credibility. IMHO, I understand mistakes are sometimes inevitable. However, once a major mistake is made, instead of just quietly changing it and hoping noone else would notice, I think dpzen should issue a statement to let people know a mistake was made and has been corrected (just like any responsible newspaper would do), because people who read the wrong info earlier may never go back to the page and reread it again. They just kept that piece of wrong information with them forever. Instead you get reply from moderator like this.... http://forums.dpzen.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=36327651

Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that.

BJN wrote: Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that.
Yep, very much agree. If you always demand and point out errors or perceived errors, you will only isolate yourself. Nobody likes a finger pointer. The boy who cried wolf... Oh, and the OP should ask for a refund on his yearly membership fee.

RedFox88 wrote:
BJN wrote: Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that.
Yep, very much agree. If you always demand and point out errors or perceived errors, you will only isolate yourself. Nobody likes a finger pointer. The boy who cried wolf... Oh, and the OP should ask for a refund on his yearly membership fee.
Agree with both. I noticed the same photo of the lens was posted in press releases on several other sites, might be an error by Nikon or the advertising firm that does their press releases. It seems a very minor issue to me, hardly worth getting one's shorts in a knot over. View: original size Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.. Cheers, Doug

Great cartoon, and all too true for some people.

Charlie Self wrote: Great cartoon, and all too true for some people.
Thanks Charlie, we gotta keep it all in perspective. After all, it's only the internet Cheers, Doug

Doug J wrote: After all, it's only the internet
But internet has become part of our life now. We do banking on internet, we pay tax and bills on internet, we read newspaper on internet, we do our company work on internet. People meet their boyfriends and girlfriends on internet. Hell we even decide what camera to buy soley based on internet site's review!

M-L wrote:
Doug J wrote: After all, it's only the internet
But internet has become part of our life now. We do banking on internet, we pay tax and bills on internet, we read newspaper on internet, we do our company work on internet. People meet their boyfriends and girlfriends on internet. Hell we even decide what camera to buy soley based on internet site's review!
All true, and no doubt we'll have even more dependencies on e-stuff as technology marches on. Yet there are very few, if any, absolutes and we still need multiple sources. Speaking of e-stuff, on the darker side of the interweb I received a 'cute' scam email the other day, we all get these. I got a laugh out of this one - it went on and on about how I won $$$, blah, blah, blah. The scammer claimed someone tried to claim my money and I was required to immediately: CONFIRM IF YOU ARE DEAD OR ALIVE NOW. Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh a little. Cheers, Doug

Doug J wrote: CONFIRM IF YOU ARE DEAD OR ALIVE NOW.
I know a lady who, when she receives mail addressed to "occupant" writes deceased on the envelope and drops it in a mail box. Have no idea what happens to it but it makes her happy to follow the procedure. It must go someplace.

M-L wrote:
Doug J wrote: After all, it's only the internet
But internet has become part of our life now. We do banking on internet, we pay tax and bills on internet, we read newspaper on internet, we do our company work on internet. People meet their boyfriends and girlfriends on internet. Hell we even decide what camera to buy soley based on internet site's review!
I met my ex-wife on the Internet. I want a refund!

Agree with both. I noticed the same photo of the lens was posted in press releases on several other sites, might be an error by Nikon or the advertising firm that does their press releases. It seems a very minor issue to me, hardly worth getting one's shorts in a knot over. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff..
The error is very minor indeed, but that is the only one I could find that was still not corrected. I used it to illustrate the point I was trying to make about other bigger errors posted earlier. However, if the photo was provided by Nikon (You saw it in all the other press release) then it is not dpzen's fault on this one. My apology to the site here.

M-L wrote:
Agree with both. I noticed the same photo of the lens was posted in press releases on several other sites, might be an error by Nikon or the advertising firm that does their press releases. It seems a very minor issue to me, hardly worth getting one's shorts in a knot over. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff..
The error is very minor indeed, but that is the only one I could find that was still not corrected. I used it to illustrate the point I was trying to make about other bigger errors posted earlier. However, if the photo was provided by Nikon (You saw it in all the other press release) then it is not dpzen's fault on this one. My apology to the site here.
ML - I've seen mixed formats for this PR, a few had the photo, most did not. I don't know how Nikon does their PRs, in my experience a press kit might include several file photos the news/website can choose from. No malice intended with my post, I just view press releases as somewhat informative, and accurate to a degree, but recognize the sources and a lot of cut & paste is involved. News/websites do also make mistakes as you & others pointed out. I wouldn't base a purchase decision or choice of a surgeon based on a press release. Just my 2 cents, everybody's mileage varies... Enjoy your photography. Cheers, Doug

Doug J wrote: ML - I've seen mixed formats for this PR, a few had the photo, most did not. I don't know how Nikon does their PRs, in my experience a press kit might include several file photos the news/website can choose from. No malice intended with my post, I just view press releases as somewhat informative, and accurate to a degree, but recognize the sources and a lot of cut & paste is involved. News/websites do also make mistakes as you & others pointed out. I wouldn't base a purchase decision or choice of a surgeon based on a press release. Just my 2 cents, everybody's mileage varies... Enjoy your photography.
Hi Doug, Thanks. Point taken. What? Don't choose a camera or surgeon based on internet stuff? Who else can I trust then?? Oh no! You too enjoy your photography! I actually rarely post here. Just because Nikon release an exciting new camera yesterday, I just spent a bit more time then ususal visiting this site. I do enjoy taking pictures more than reading camera reviews. Have a great day!

RedFox88 wrote:
BJN wrote: Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that.
Yep, very much agree. If you always demand and point out errors or perceived errors, you will only isolate yourself. Nobody likes a finger pointer. The boy who cried wolf... Oh, and the OP should ask for a refund on his yearly membership fee.
I was all out of good intention and wanted the site to do well. I don't understand why everytime someone gave feedback or opinion to DPreview, there are always people who would be quick to point out this is a free site. I know this is a free site but we all love the site so much and we want it to do well. That's why I typed the post. If noone points out the errors like $699 for a D7000, will they ever notice? I think it is a good thing we continue to point out the good and the bad, so that they can get even better. If my tone wasn't good in my first post, I am very sorry. Please bear in mind English is not my first language. I thinght IMHO =In my humble opinion, should set the tone right, but there you go.

M-L wrote:
RedFox88 wrote:
BJN wrote: Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that.
Yep, very much agree. If you always demand and point out errors or perceived errors, you will only isolate yourself. Nobody likes a finger pointer. The boy who cried wolf... Oh, and the OP should ask for a refund on his yearly membership fee.
I was all out of good intention and wanted the site to do well. I don't understand why everytime someone gave feedback or opinion to DPreview, there are always people who would be quick to point out this is a free site.
Next time give your "opinion" or finger pointing in their "feedback" feature so that members won't read and ridicule you in public! Also your capital letters are half of what is wrong with your post.

RedFox88 wrote: Next time... blah blah blah and more blah blah blah
Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that. (credit: BJN) Telling people what they can or can't do is very uneducated.

Izu wrote:
RedFox88 wrote: Next time... blah blah blah and more blah blah blah
Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that. (credit: BJN) Telling people what they can or can't do is very uneducated.
I think he has been having a rough day since the launch of D7000....

M-L wrote:
Izu wrote:
RedFox88 wrote: Next time... blah blah blah and more blah blah blah
Apparently you're under the impression that antagonism and a condescending tone are effective tools of persuasion. Good luck with that. (credit: BJN) Telling people what they can or can't do is very uneducated.
I think he has been having a rough day since the launch of D7000....
Nah, other people are but not me. I see it as the same as the 60D. Both cameras have trade offs that in the end equal out.

RedFox88 wrote: Next time give your "opinion" or finger pointing in their "feedback" feature so that members won't read and ridicule you in public! Also your capital letters are > half of what is wrong with your post.
I did use feedback to report the price error today. The reason I posted here is not for finger pointing, but to generate a discussion. Feebback is good for reporting errors, but not a good platform for discussion. I wanted to hear their side of the story (software problem, lack of man power..etc) By the way, I used exactly ONLY one word in capital letters. It was to emphasis the minor error I was pointing out is not the only error. It clearly wasn't shouting, if you care to read the content. (capital DPZEN in the title is meant to show respect for the company)

M-L wrote:
RedFox88 wrote: Next time give your "opinion" or finger pointing in their "feedback" feature so that members won't read and ridicule you in public! Also your capital letters are > half of what is wrong with your post.
I did use feedback to report the price error today. The reason I posted here is not for finger pointing, but to generate a discussion. Feebback is good for reporting errors, but not a good platform for discussion. I wanted to hear their side of the story (software problem, lack of man power..etc) By the way, I used exactly ONLY one word in capital letters. It was to emphasis the minor error I was pointing out is not the only error. It clearly wasn't shouting, if you care to read the content. (capital DPZEN in the title is meant to show respect for the company)
Nope, you used 2 words. Go count them again. All caps is never a sign of "respect". No matter your intentions, all caps is always considered "shouting" in written text. It's a good thing that this site implemented bold and italic text in posts.

RedFox88 wrote: All caps is never a sign of "respect". No matter your intentions, all caps is always considered "shouting" in written text.
All caps has been used for emphasis a lot longer than the internet has been around. I personally don't know why everyone likes to jump on someone lately who uses all caps for one (or two) words in a post (I've seen it quite a bit in the last month or so). Personally, I like to see posts where the author is obviously taking care to structure their message for intelligibility and effect -- makes it much more interesting than those who fill their post with web-speak for example. My 2 cents -- no offense intended. -- Darrell

M-L wrote: The 5cm f2 photo in the 55th millionth Nikkor lens news is actually a 5.8cm f1.4... View: original size I do think dpzen needs to be more careful with the accuracy of its news and content. There are just too many typo and errors. The biggest one being the $699 price for the Nikon D7000 with kit lens today. That incorrect price tag created a lot of confusion among people using DPreview as their main source of info in various forums worldwide today. Also the shutter life of the D7000 and the VR on 35mm f1.4 were wrong too. People used to quote stuff from dpzen as "fact". If it keeps making errors like that, the site will start to lose its credibility. IMHO, I understand mistakes are sometimes inevitable. However, once a major mistake is made, instead of just quietly changing it and hoping noone else would notice, I think dpzen should issue a statement to let people know a mistake was made and has been corrected (just like any responsible newspaper would do), because people who read the wrong info earlier may never go back to the page and reread it again. They just kept that piece of wrong information with them forever.
We are genuinely appreciative of all feedback, and we correct any errors that our community spots as quickly as we can. The D7000 price error was a serious one, and I was mortified when I saw that, but it was fixed within an hour - before most people had even seen the article. Bear in mind that when these things go online, it is invariably very early in the morning here in the UK, so please excuse a little early-morning grumpiness, and occasional tardiness when it comes to posting replies in the forums. We value your loyalty, and we know that you don't like seeing errors any more than we like making them.

Barney Britton wrote: We are genuinely appreciative of all feedback, and we correct any errors that our community spots as quickly as we can. The D7000 price error was a serious one, and I was mortified when I saw that, but it was fixed within an hour - before most people had even seen the article. Bear in mind that when these things go online, it is invariably very early in the morning here in the UK, so please excuse a little early-morning grumpiness, and occasional tardiness when it comes to posting replies in the forums. We value your loyalty, and we know that you don't like seeing errors any more than we like making them.
Hi Barney, Appreciate your reply and all the hard works! I hope you are not offended by my post as it wan't my intention. Some other readers seem to read it that way though. Thanks again!

Don't worry M-L, that tone is common here, but some forum members think that they own it : )

Hi, Speaking about errors in the News. Why did DPReview call it "CoreDraw" instead of "CorelDraw" ? AK

M-L wrote: The biggest one being the $699 price for the Nikon D7000 with kit lens today. That incorrect price tag created a lot of confusion among people using DPreview as their main source of info in various forums worldwide today. Also the shutter life of the D7000 and the VR on 35mm f1.4 were wrong too.
So, they make mistakes, and then what? Banks, investors , politicians, and everybody else makes mistakes every day, so while nobody likes them, what is the actual problem with a wrong pricing info that was online for a few hours and for a camera that cannot even be bought? The importance of this one is... close to zero. Next time you do a mistake, think of this thread you started. Bernie

....if no one would want to tell me about my mistakes anymore, because it meant I had no more TRUE friends around me. I came across many other sites that made mistakes too, but it didn't give them feedback because I didn't care about them.
Bernie Ess wrote: Next time you do a mistake, think of this thread you started.

It seems that you're experiencing the usual tirrany... Also, the forum operator kicked me out for posting a reply, a mini "review", while tolerating members who clearly violate the DPReview rules. Then I send a complaint, suddenly I can post again, then about 45 seconds of posting, my message disappears and I'm banned again, for posting a completely normal, simple review! I just love this website, really... Good news! I've just talked to some guys who are developing a brand new project (photo/video) and they assured me that this type of abuse and violation of self-expression would not happen and criticism will be welcome! I can hardly wait!

EGGE wrote: Also, the forum operator kicked me out for posting a reply, a mini "review", while tolerating members who clearly violate the DPReview rules.
Your 'mini review' is clearly not photo industry news, so it's been moved to the most appropriate forum - in this case Nikon SLR Lens Talk.
Then I send a complaint, suddenly I can post again, then about 45 seconds of posting, my message disappears and I'm banned again, for posting a completely normal, simple review!
Clearly the mere fact that you're posting here means that you're not banned, are you? -- Andy Westlake http://www.dpzen.com/lensreviews

Oh, but I am from that particular forum and who knows how many more already, and my post is a direct reply to the Sigma lens review, so it shouldn't be moved anywhere! Now that you mentioned it, would you mind getting me off of your banned list? With brotherly love!

EGGE wrote: Oh, but I am from that particular forum
Well, that's just unfortunate, I'm afraid.
my post is a direct reply to the Sigma lens review, so it shouldn't be moved anywhere!
We'll be the judge of that, thanks.
Now that you mentioned it, would you mind getting me off of your banned list?
Given your behaviour on this forum over the past few days, no.

Dictatorship on atomic level... ... you really are a funny guy! I can't imagine what would you do in an actual important position. Then again, I can... Meanwhile I just got an email from DPReview. Let me see....
Andy Westlake wrote:
EGGE wrote: Oh, but I am from that particular forum
Well, that's just unfortunate, I'm afraid.
my post is a direct reply to the Sigma lens review, so it shouldn't be moved anywhere!
We'll be the judge of that, thanks.
Now that you mentioned it, would you mind getting me off of your banned list?
Given your behaviour on this forum over the past few days, no.

According to Simon: "Actually i think the threads just got moved to a more appropriate forum (since they weren't news related). Enjoy your completely new project! http://forums.dpzen.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=36343350 Simon" Well, the head sometimes doesn't know what the hands are doing. Complete miscommunication between the organs... synapse misfire perhaps... We'll see what's next... tic-tac-tic-tac....

I'm still waiting for Simon, whoever he is, but I'm at this very moment still banned from that forum. No wonder, posting such a terrible, horrible review....

EGGE wrote: I'm still waiting for Simon, whoever he is, but I'm at this very moment still banned from that forum. No wonder, posting such a terrible, horrible review....
It doesn't matter who I am. I was just trying to be helpful without wasting too much of my time investigating the complaints in your (rather aggressive) complaint emails. Seems to me like you're actually trying to goad us into kicking you off the site. Not working... SJ -- Simon Joinson, Editor dpzen.com

Hi Simon! Well, I've been actually waiting for your email, but haven't received any. Sorry for wasting your time with my so agressive complaints. But, then again, I am still, as we speak, being banned for no good reason from the "Nikon SLR Lens Talk Forum" where my review had been moved to. So, your invitation to "Enjoy your completely new project!" doesn't really work while being banned, does it? Or maybe I missed something. Could you help me out? Ps: You are right, it doesn't matter who you are as long as you make some sense. Now, how about some action? Could you get me off of your banned list(S)? Thank ya very mucho!
Simon Joinson wrote: It doesn't matter who I am. I was just trying to be helpful without wasting too much of my time investigating the complaints in your (rather aggressive) complaint emails. Seems to me like you're actually trying to goad us into kicking you off the site. Not working... SJ -- Simon Joinson, Editor dpzen.com

Hey Simon! Somehow I've got the feeling that you're the man - "Yoda-man" I'm still waiting for your letter, reply, or action. I mean, now that you've invited me to continue my review in another forum, from which I'm banned, it would make you look a little bit weird, don't you think? And as far as I can see, my review and test images at this point somehow also justify my original "suspicion" about a "not so fair" and a bit "biased" review by DPReview, that your man "Andy" has made who kicked me out. Now, that I proved him wrong, maybe he can admit to the "obvious". I mean, it is "proof" that he wanted, right? My test images are there now, among the many other things... It's late over there, so tomorrow then, you guys have a great night, sleep about it and then you can figure it out who should say what, just to avoid making all look like a bunch of loonies... Ps: Of course, there is such thing as admitting when you guys are wrong, too... but that virtue, obviously is not practiced here very often....

EGGE wrote: Dictatorship on atomic level... ... you really are a funny guy! I can't imagine what would you do in an actual important position. Then again, I can... Meanwhile I just got an email from DPReview. Let me see....
Andy Westlake wrote:
EGGE wrote: Oh, but I am from that particular forum
Well, that's just unfortunate, I'm afraid.
my post is a direct reply to the Sigma lens review, so it shouldn't be moved anywhere!
We'll be the judge of that, thanks.
Now that you mentioned it, would you mind getting me off of your banned list?
Given your behaviour on this forum over the past few days, no.

Well done Bernie any way i think someone at dpzen has a sense of humour and throws-in a small error just to get some "twitchers" TWITCHING! grannymack -

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